Tuesday, September 07, 2004

Let's Be Friends

I have a lot of male friends. I am one of those that believes men and women can genuinely be friends, despite sexual tension. Or to spite it, maybe. I have certainly had crushes on a few of the men that I call my friends. And once or twice (okay, it's been many, many times) I have tested the limits of friendship to try to get someone to make-out with me (usually while they were drunk). Never has the result been the establishing of a 'friend with benefits' agreement, although I am enamored with the idea. More often than not, nothing has come (no pun intended) of my advances. Just friends.

For me, things get tricky when I am on the receiving end of advances from friends. Friends I do not want to make out with. My first reaction is a sort of resentment, the typical can't-men-and-women-just-be-friends-without-the-dumb-sexual-tension? This is, of course, a defense mechanism against feeling like an asshole for getting ready to reject the advances of a friend. Of course there will be sexual tension. Biologically, if you're a heterosexual woman, men are for having sex with. It's hard to avoid. My next, and more preferred reaction is rationalization. It's time-tested and true. Sometimes, getting physical (in the Olivia Newton-John sense of the word) with a buddy will really screw up that friendship. Period.

I am curious though, as to what degree of rejection is appropriate when it comes to the advances of a friend. Especially a friend who is doing their own rationalizing and questioning why it is that two people who seemingly enjoy each other's company aren't going to the next level. I once had some success at thwarting an advance by asking loudly, "So you think we should just start having sex now?" I guess the success came because the question caught my friend off guard and allowed both of us to consider how weird an idea it actually was. If he had pursued the issue though, how much information could I offer, by way of rejection, without damaging the friendship?

I guess what I am really thinking about is the fact that unless I want to tear off your clothes, I don't want to date you. And sometimes if I want to tear off your clothes, I still don't want to date you. But, I digress. I suppose it sounds completely shallow, probably because it is, but isn't there something to be said for straight up, down and dirty physical attraction? And yes, I have heard it a million times, the better you know a person, the more attractive they become (given they're a good person..., or that you like assholes). But, I also know myself, and if I didn't want to kiss you when we met, I'm not going to want to kiss you after you show me your bitchin' album collection or book of love poems. Maybe it's harsh, but it's honest.

Is it too much rejection to tell a friend making advances that you simply don't want to have sex with them? As a friend, is it your duty to concoct some rationalized tale of why it wouldn't work? Isn't that like lying? I am sure that my ego would be damaged if I were rejected on the grounds that I simply wasn't sexually attractive to the person I was pursuing. BUT, it would certainly keep me from having false hopes. Friendships, when good, are based on substance, not appearance. And yet, some sort of obligation arises when a friend makes sexual advances to downplay the very important aspect of physical, chemical attraction. In my quest to make this world a more honest place, I think we should be more honest. However shallow it may be.


6 Comments:

Blogger Limited Ed. said...

I guess if you want to be honest, and I always feel that honesty is the best policy, than you have to be willing to hurt a person's feelings and possibly lose a "friend" in the process. Of course, if a guy friend is coming on to you, it probably means that he was always interested in you romantically but was never able to express it until he got to know you better. Or at least that's how it is with me and my women friends (either that or I'm waiting for them to break up with their boyfriends so I can have at them). Men and women being friends has really only been socially acceptable for the last sixty years or so. Before that, men were friends with men, women friends with women, and they came together at planned social events to meet for later dating and marriage. This is probably a sexist thing to say, but women's liberation is sometimes more of a curse than a blessing. It confuses a lot of social/sexual issues like this one, and the stronger-willed women become, the weaker-willed men tend to become. In the olden days, all of your male friends would be called your "suitors" and you would choose between them who you would eventually marry. Now, who knows what's going on. I saw a man having sex with a dog on the internet. That is some sick, fucked-up shit. In the old days that shit would have been kept in the barn, not paraded around for all to see. So, in conclusion, tell the guy the truth; that he is an ugly, undateable dork and you just want to be friends.

3:59 PM  
Blogger tko said...

It's true that friendships between men and women haven't always been viewed as natural or socially acceptable, but neither has homosexuality or the lifestyle that can accompany it. Is that to say that being gay isn't natural or that it doesn't really work out for people? I don't think so. The boundaries that societies encourage for relationships of any kind are based on arbitrary standards that can't apply to all of the people in a given society. And by the way, are you 80-years-old? How do you know that men and women weren't friends sixty years ago? I'd be willing to bet that it happened.
Also, I'm sure that it is often the case that both men and women initiate friendships with a romantic ideal in mind. You can't really be friends with someone without something attracting you to them (and vice versa). But having a sense of attraction to someone, even if it's mutual, doesn't gaurantee that moving past friendship will feel good, or that whatever may happen could be better than the original friendship. I think it's kind of sad that men are waiting around for their female friends to break up with their boyfriends so that they can have a crack at them. You will know when and if a woman wants to get it on with you; convincing yourself that you are waiting around for her to come to her senses is a waste of your time. She decided in the first few encounters she had with you whether or not you two were going to have sex.
You know, historically, men have been cast as strong and aggressive, while women have been relegated to the more passive and deferential roles. I don't think that these qualities are natural or inherent to either gender and I think it has done a great disservice to all people that these stereotypes have been so resilient over the years. Men aren't becoming weaker-willed because of strong-willed women, some men are just weak.
And finally, my male friends are neither ugly nor undateable. Just because I don't want to fuck some of them doesn't mean that there aren't many who do.

2:11 AM  
Blogger Gigi Lee said...

TKO,

I think you're exactly right. Men who are waiting around for a woman aren't going to get that woman. I think most women want a man who is aggressive and tells them what they want, though of course, that does contradict the whole friendship debate, ie, a man telling a woman friend that he wants something more...
It's really hard to go back to being just friends after a man tells me that he wants more from the friendship. Somewhere in the back of my mind, I'm thinking, "Shit, how much do I have to fart and pick my nose in front of this guy before he decides that I'm not attractive and stops the crush?" And then I end up a farting, booger-picking machine, which is not good if I want any of his friends.

12:09 PM  
Blogger Limited Ed. said...

I think it is interesting how a lot of girls that I know have a lot of male friends, but the only guys I know who have a lot of female friends are gay. The vast majority of girls that I know, I know through their boyfriends who I am friends with (thus the SARCASTIC comment about waiting for girls to break up with their boyfriends so I can have at them (like no girl has ever done the same sort of thing in reverse)). And none of those girls seem to have any female friends. What is up with that? So it's down to the local watering hole to try and pick up some drunken floozy for a horrible one night stand that I will regret for years to come. Either that or attempt to meet someone at a local singles event or online where the resultant "date" usually ends with a hardy handshake and a fond farewell. Also, I keep getting told, "You will find love when you aren't looking for it." Yeah, that works. How are you supposed to be aggressive and "not look for it" at the same time? I am just so confused. What's a poor boy to do?

11:58 AM  
Blogger tko said...

You should probably start by feeling sorry for yourself.

First of all, not looking for it isn't really an option, so let's toss that one out. Second, anyone that tells you not to be aggressive in your pursuits is giving you bad advice. What's the alternative? Keeping feelings and desires pent up where they can turn into frustrated resentment? That shit is for sissies. If you like someone, tell them. My initial point wasn't that hook-ups between friends shouldn't happen, just that rejection should be accepted as one the viable outcomes.

And hey, why don't you quit hanging out with couples and gay men? If all your friends are paired off, it inevitably begins to mock you. Get yourself a couple of bachelors to go out with once in awhile, it will help validate your position: Single. Plus, girls like guys that look like they have a life.

Waiting around to fall in love is a bitch. You end up dating some chump and it takes you a month (or a fucking year) to realize that not only do you not love him, you can't stand him, you just needed him around to quell your pathetic lonliness. Or is that just me? You know what's better than that shit? Being alone. Embrace it.

By the way, girls without girlfriends? That's just sad. I can't stand women who claim to relate more to men than to other women. Ridiculous.

Finally, am I to believe that the (straight) males in my life don't really think that I am their friend? Are you really so hell bent on the notion that men and women just can't be friends? What is the use of this logic?

5:10 PM  
Blogger tko said...

Okay, I just realized you said you WERE supposed to be aggressive. My bad. Carry on.

1:15 AM  

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